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http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C836431
1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
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Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Had a look at this yesterday, will get some photos up later.
Still in two minds myself but I think it's not tidy enough for me- if I'm going to have another estate it'd have to be a really nice one- I've been spoilt by my Mk2.
So far as I can tell it was a Mk3, originally in the bright blue that Dawn Thornber's car is in. It now has an 1800 B series with twin carbs. Both engine and 'box are gold, so presumably gold seal. It's been resprayed in the dark (midnight?) blue, thorough job including doorshuts and underbonnet (but not boor floor inside- hence knowing what colour it was!). It's not a bad respray but not show quality- there's some overspray and a few sags here and there that I spotted. Looks very straight and solid- the only obvious filler was in the rearmost pillar where it meets the rear quarter. Wings look good except for the top rear of the LH one which has bubbled (adjacent to the scuttle). Think it's more likely to be paint reaction than anything else. Lots of underseal underneath but from what I could tell it looked very solid.
Other than the engine the only other TC aspect is the front grille. It does have Mk1 bumpers (front is tired chrome and slightly bent) but no underiders, and arch trims. There's no window surround stainless trim (including windscreen, that has the mk2 on plastichrome) or sill trims. Window weatherstrip and stainless trim is apparently with it but needs fitting.
Interior is nice, looks to have had new carpets, standard SDL doorcards in reasonable order, front seats aren't Marina (not Mk1 anyway, and they are vinyl) and have been painted but look the part, rear seat is Mk1 estate and looks good. Mk1 dash (navy) in good order although the wood effect trim is a bit tired, non standard steering wheel. Switchgear is also Mk1, mostly looks a bit tired, dip beam doesn't work so suspect the stalk is duff.
Didn't drive it but it started OK and sounded fairly well, although lumpy at idle (it wasn't exactly warm yesterday though). Engine looks a bit shabby (typical gold seal paint!) and the engine bay in general is a bit grimy but nothing that some TLC wouldn't solve.
Clearly been loved as it's had money spent on it- respray is the obvious one, it's got recentish brake lines, rear springs and shocks, and a few other bits and bobs. Has the potential to be a very nice car but it will need a fair bit of finishing/ tidying and probably an amount of recommissioning.
The seller is aware that the price is a little optimistic, he spoke to a club member a few weeks ago and that's what they suggested. My view is that it would have to be near mint to be a non tax exempt estate at that price- I'm confident that he'll accept considerably less.
Be nice if someone will take it on as it'd be a respectable enough summer toy without too much bother. It might still be me but I'd gone down with expectations of it being mint which has clouded my judgement a bit.
Still in two minds myself but I think it's not tidy enough for me- if I'm going to have another estate it'd have to be a really nice one- I've been spoilt by my Mk2.
So far as I can tell it was a Mk3, originally in the bright blue that Dawn Thornber's car is in. It now has an 1800 B series with twin carbs. Both engine and 'box are gold, so presumably gold seal. It's been resprayed in the dark (midnight?) blue, thorough job including doorshuts and underbonnet (but not boor floor inside- hence knowing what colour it was!). It's not a bad respray but not show quality- there's some overspray and a few sags here and there that I spotted. Looks very straight and solid- the only obvious filler was in the rearmost pillar where it meets the rear quarter. Wings look good except for the top rear of the LH one which has bubbled (adjacent to the scuttle). Think it's more likely to be paint reaction than anything else. Lots of underseal underneath but from what I could tell it looked very solid.
Other than the engine the only other TC aspect is the front grille. It does have Mk1 bumpers (front is tired chrome and slightly bent) but no underiders, and arch trims. There's no window surround stainless trim (including windscreen, that has the mk2 on plastichrome) or sill trims. Window weatherstrip and stainless trim is apparently with it but needs fitting.
Interior is nice, looks to have had new carpets, standard SDL doorcards in reasonable order, front seats aren't Marina (not Mk1 anyway, and they are vinyl) and have been painted but look the part, rear seat is Mk1 estate and looks good. Mk1 dash (navy) in good order although the wood effect trim is a bit tired, non standard steering wheel. Switchgear is also Mk1, mostly looks a bit tired, dip beam doesn't work so suspect the stalk is duff.
Didn't drive it but it started OK and sounded fairly well, although lumpy at idle (it wasn't exactly warm yesterday though). Engine looks a bit shabby (typical gold seal paint!) and the engine bay in general is a bit grimy but nothing that some TLC wouldn't solve.
Clearly been loved as it's had money spent on it- respray is the obvious one, it's got recentish brake lines, rear springs and shocks, and a few other bits and bobs. Has the potential to be a very nice car but it will need a fair bit of finishing/ tidying and probably an amount of recommissioning.
The seller is aware that the price is a little optimistic, he spoke to a club member a few weeks ago and that's what they suggested. My view is that it would have to be near mint to be a non tax exempt estate at that price- I'm confident that he'll accept considerably less.
Be nice if someone will take it on as it'd be a respectable enough summer toy without too much bother. It might still be me but I'd gone down with expectations of it being mint which has clouded my judgement a bit.
Matt
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Be good to see the photos 
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1997 Ducati 916 Senna - Awesome
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Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Some pictures have been added to the C&C advert now.
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Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
its had mk1/2 front doors fitted note the seperate quarter light,looks nice different a tc estate
has it had any suspension upgrades?or standard mk3 .
best regards
barry
has it had any suspension upgrades?or standard mk3 .
best regards
barry
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
They are either Mk2 doors or someone has managed to fit separate quarters to Mk3 doors. They've got the flip seal channel so not Mk1.
Standard underneath- forgot to look at roll bars, but normal late type lever arms with normal (not Walford) trunnions, 3 leaf rear springs if I remember right which look nearly new.
No "special" bits on it that I noticed beyond the obvious TC trim bits. Personally I'd probably put a standard mk1 grille on and have it as a bit of a sleeper...
Standard underneath- forgot to look at roll bars, but normal late type lever arms with normal (not Walford) trunnions, 3 leaf rear springs if I remember right which look nearly new.
No "special" bits on it that I noticed beyond the obvious TC trim bits. Personally I'd probably put a standard mk1 grille on and have it as a bit of a sleeper...
Matt
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Originally ruled this out. Still thought on options. Could it be converted to single carb to improve economy ( accept the reduction in performance)? Engine conversion engine might cause emissions test trouble (working outdoors with no equipment) at MOT in which test which emissions test the car gets would need to know the providence to see what scope it falls into- be ideally pre Aug '75 so no metered test. Also be tempted to forward convert to MK2? Could it be insured? Hmmm. Still thinking. Anyone had any experience of this sort?
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david painter
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Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
When an older engine has been fitted to a more modern car so no exact match can be established on the emissions test database in the gas tester the earlier test will apply in this case the visual test only. Having said that a properly set up 1800 TC/ MGB engine will have no trouble passing the correct emissions test for the age of this car.
Dave
Dave
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
I don't know- but I suspect- that it might well be a single carb spec engine with twin carbs added anyway. You'd have to replace inlet & exhaust manifolds and the exhaust downpipe but it wouldn't be difficult. Are the TCs really that bad on fuel compared to a single carb though? Obviously worth getting them set up and balanced properly but unless you drive it like Balmy I can't imagine there's too much difference. If it is a TC engine then it'll have a different cam profile and I suspect advance curve set in the dizzy (springs/ weights) but I don't think the profiles are that radically different.
Can't see emissions being a problem- plenty of cars still running big TC setups at the end of the 70's, the Dolly is twin HS4s and that goes through no bother at all. If it won't pass the emissions test it's because it's set up badly, and your fuel consumption will be suffering...
My Mk2 with effectively an Ital spec 1300 was insured with Peter James who recorded it but didn't load the premium. It's a Marina engine in a Marina, it's got fundamentally the same braking system and suspension as the car the engine came out of so any insurer where you can actually talk to someone with an understanding of cars shouldn't give you any grief.
Can't see emissions being a problem- plenty of cars still running big TC setups at the end of the 70's, the Dolly is twin HS4s and that goes through no bother at all. If it won't pass the emissions test it's because it's set up badly, and your fuel consumption will be suffering...
My Mk2 with effectively an Ital spec 1300 was insured with Peter James who recorded it but didn't load the premium. It's a Marina engine in a Marina, it's got fundamentally the same braking system and suspension as the car the engine came out of so any insurer where you can actually talk to someone with an understanding of cars shouldn't give you any grief.
Matt
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
My TC does high 30's on a run but never dips below 30mpg in when thrashed.
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1974 Marina Tc Coupe - 1950CC
1982 Morris Ital HL Estate - 7600 miles from new
1992 Lada Niva Cossack - brilliant
2008 Ducati 1098R TB21 LE 200bhp/99lb/ft of a monster on two wheels. All from 1198cc
1998 Laverda 750 Formula-rare
1997 Ducati 916 Senna - Awesome
!974 Honda CD175-awaiting resto - now stripped
1982 Morris Ital HL Estate - 7600 miles from new
1992 Lada Niva Cossack - brilliant
2008 Ducati 1098R TB21 LE 200bhp/99lb/ft of a monster on two wheels. All from 1198cc
1998 Laverda 750 Formula-rare
1997 Ducati 916 Senna - Awesome
!974 Honda CD175-awaiting resto - now stripped
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Thanks for all the replies- it's appreciated and helpful. On balance I will be sensible and try to leave this one! On the fuel consumption I never got anything like that out of a 1300- settled at around 30 ish around town or on a run- always thought it ran a bit rich.
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Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Someone snaffled it after he dropped the price, beat me to it! Anyone on here? Hope it's gone to a good home.
Matt
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
1974 1973 Tundra Black Tulip 1800 SDL TC Estate "Mud"- Freshly Franked rolling shell.
Really, really horrible 1974 Black Tulip 1300 DL- Basically compost.
Re: 1980 Estate C&C with TC looks
Popped up again:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C900560
And on eBay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-MORRIS-M ... 3641.l6368
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C900560
And on eBay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-MORRIS-M ... 3641.l6368
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