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Sign your name if you're opposed to pre '60 cars being exempt from the annual MOT test.
Much like the rolling tax exemption petition I doubt it'll get anywhere, but if you don't excersise your democratic rights how can you have any grounds to complain?

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34434

-JC.

If they want to give the classic car movement something they need to raise the age on the tax excemption to at least 1975 rather than giving pre 60's cars an MOT excemption.

Gary.

I think we are all better off keeping our mouths shut about tax exemption until the economy picks up, it's amazing anyone gets free car tax as it is!

Definitely disagree with the MoT exemption, for once the government has passed a concession that very few seem to want

There's is a back agenda to this.
If cars become Test Exempt then the next step will be to limit their mileage and allowed speed on grounds of safety. Some EU countries are already doing this.

The next step is then to limit them to only using public roads on weekends and public holidays and to impose 'safety' speed limits, say 50kph. This is being discussed in some EU countries.

The next step would bring the MOT exemption in for more modern vehicles - lets say the same as tax exemption.

And then if tax exemption is rolled forward as well then we all have a problem.

So what seems like a gift is actually the thin end of a very nasty wedge.

Vote against MOT exemption.

I've already registered my vote but I still think they should do something with the tax excemption. It's annoying to think that Joe Bloggs can go into a garage and buy a brand new car and pay little or no road tax and yet we lovingly look after our cars and preserve them for the greater good and have to pay through the nose to keep them on the road

Gary.

vermillion wrote:I've already registered my vote but I still think they should do something with the tax excemption. It's annoying to think that Joe Bloggs can go into a garage and buy a brand new car and pay little or no road tax and yet we lovingly look after our cars and preserve them for the greater good and have to pay through the nose to keep them on the road

Gary.

That's mostly a ploy to sell new cars. Once a significant portion of cars on the road are no or low tax, watch those tax bands creep up- much like the cost of LPG did once a good number of people started using it.

I'm all for keeping quiet on changing tax exemption. There's enough abuse of the system as it is (MGs, VWs, minis and Land Rovers running around on tax exempt ID's are far from uncommon), by far the easiest course of action is to abolish it completely- why would they give even more people something for nothing.

Not keen on the MOT exemption idea, again something for nothing so one suspects there has to be an ulterior motive somewhere.

I get the FBHVC newsletter quarterly and what I mentioned for other EU countries was taken from their information. The FBHVC meet with the UK Gov and EU to discuss these things.

MarinaCoupe wrote:There's is a back agenda to this.
If cars become Test Exempt then the next step will be to limit their mileage and allowed speed on grounds of safety. Some EU countries are already doing this.

The next step is then to limit them to only using public roads on weekends and public holidays and to impose 'safety' speed limits, say 50kph. This is being discussed in some EU countries.

The next step would bring the MOT exemption in for more modern vehicles - lets say the same as tax exemption.

And then if tax exemption is rolled forward as well then we all have a problem.

So what seems like a gift is actually the thin end of a very nasty wedge.

Vote against MOT exemption.

Chris
http://www.marinacoupe.co.uk

If I was being sarky I'd call you a bunch of 'Conspiracy Theorists', but happily you're not, you've worked out how our wonderful 'democratic' government works. Now look at DVLA proceedures as 'Asset Management' and you're getting the picture...... I got shouted down on another forum for stating that.

vermillion wrote:I've already registered my vote but I still think they should do something with the tax excemption. It's annoying to think that Joe Bloggs can go into a garage and buy a brand new car and pay little or no road tax and yet we lovingly look after our cars and preserve them for the greater good and have to pay through the nose to keep them on the road

Gary.

£220 p.a. VED per car (and I keep 2 on the road [MG Maestro 1600 & Peugeot 309, neither of which are pre-'73] for reasons I can't readily explain ) seems pretty good value compared to the 'invisible' depreciation on family cars equivalent to the Marina up to 8 or maybe 10 years old .

I opted out of the "keep up with the Jones's" nonsense years ago - the "cheap road tax on me new car" argument which ignores the depreciation reinforces my feelings. Now I can keep two reliable and distinctive cars on the road even when money is tight, because they owe me nothing apart from servicing and repairs (which would also cost more on a 'modern') .


I would add to MarinaCoupe's post that FBHVC are no-longer 'our' cuddly ally in the corner, but they are more aligned with the EU and other large European states nowadays (info courtesy of http://www.ace.org.uk off the top of my head); the Germans and French now have "Old Timer" vehicle classes with cheap "vehicle tax" plus similar usage restrictions to those he refers to... As others have posted, maybe better to keep our heads down for now?

This change is potentially the thin edge of a very nasty wedge, yes .

The FBHVC was the governments chosen "consultant" over this issue -have a look at THIS LINK for the summary of the results. 60% of their respondents were in favour of getting rid of the MoT test for pre-1960 vehicles. I will state quite clearly that I voted against.

However, come December, if I've failed to move this on for Mrs Griffiths, I have every intention of inflating the tyres and driving it back to Leeds.





Actually, I won't but the implications are pretty damn obvious.

Chris,
P45.

Yay.!

4/44 or 15/50.?

I had the MG version..

http://www.kilroy.co.nz/cars/car08.html


No petitions here - just cheap rego after 40 years. Normal roadworthy standards apply.

Wolselety 4/44 - utterly rotten bodywise, mint interior. Tragedy.

Sorry, Off Topic.

P45.

Oh well, if there's usage restrictions then I will just have to get more Marinas, one car could mean 1500 miles, two would be 3000 miles....Good logic

Penguin45 wrote:Wolselety 4/44 - utterly rotten bodywise, mint interior. Tragedy.

Sorry, Off Topic.

P45.

not really off topic fella as there are people who will be dragging cars in this condition out and putting them on the road.. i can see it being a Bad Day for all genuine car enthusiasts

JoshWard wrote:Oh well, if there's usage restrictions then I will just have to get more Marinas, one car could mean 1500 miles, two would be 3000 miles....Good logic

any excuse Josh,.. but then why do you think i'm buying em all up plan for the future lol