Marinas and the differences between them

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Marinas and the differences between them

Post by JoshWard » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:33 pm

Hi all,
It seems quite a few folks are not sure what a DL is and how to spot one. I guess this is due to them being rather overlooked in favour of TCs etc, as a result very few people seem to know what the differences are so time for everyone to be educated :lol:
I've been meaning to write a thread on this for a few months now, it's all part of a proposed database I attempting to set up recording all known Marinas I come across and get a more accurate idea on cars sold etc and what models, colour options although sadly for time reasons the project has remained static for the last two months and unfortunately I lost a lot information I had in electronic form so I've been lacking enthusiasm to do it all again :lol: It seems very little is actually known about all the various changes and trim options our cars came with (the number of differences between a 1971 and a 1973 car is quite something!) and it's quite a fascinating topic (for me anyway :oops: ), for a car which BL seemingly never updated it went through constant changes and revisions. Eventually I'd like to write a book detailing the whole Marina story but that's very much a long term ambition for now! Credit must be given to Antony Brown (ScreamingLordStokes) for his excellent in depth article in Understeer about the US Marinas and Paul Viney for his superb knowledge about Jubilees (as well as a record of surviving cars!), both of these are what triggered my interest in learning more about Marinas in general.

So onto DLs and the differences between them and the other MK1s (All this goes for MK1s, I have no idea about MK2s as I haven't seen one in the flesh)

The differences are:
Exterior:
No wheel arch trims
No wheel trims
No stainless steel trim running along door tops
No stainless steel windscreen trim, instead DLs use the plastic type as used on all Marinas from early 1975 onwards
'Deluxe' badges on side, rather than 'Super'
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Interior:
No trim along underside of the dashboard
Single speed heater
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Rubber flooring rather than carpets
Different seats, physically smaller and with a different style vinyl covering
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No stainless steel door step trims
Parcel shelf made out of different material and crudely shaped in comparison to the SDL type (NB: Currently unsure whether this goes for entire MK1 production run)
No interior door cappings
Different door cards
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Of course it is quite common to see DLs blinged up with trim from other cars, especially wheel trims, arch trims, badges etc as they are easily fitted/changed. The easiest way to tell is the windscreen seal trim as this is not something which is commonly changed although it can be problematic if the car has had a new screen fitted and new trim rather than reusing the original trim, which is why quite a few SDLs now use the DL and later Marina style trim.

A quick look on Flickr and I have discovered ten Marinas registered incorrectly as DLs, including 3 TCs that I know of and I believe are genuine, as such many of the DLs registered with the DVLA appear to actually be SDLs and TCs. Only five or so of the cars on Flickr though were genuine DLs, so it appears to be the majority of the registered DLs left are not DLs at all, although this is only a theory and it doesn't include any MK2s, although with MK2s being rarer in general I suspect their numbers may be in the minority anyway :(

These are some genuine DLs I know of.
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There seem to be far more surviving 1.3s than 1.8s, although I know ial7202 of this forum has a 1.8 DL coupe, and maestego has a 1.8 DL saloon. I also know of a 1.8 DL coupe in Harvest Gold and of course the 1.3 DL saloon in Tundra (later resprayed white) which was infamously scrapped by a club member for it's doors.
The earliest DL I know of appears to be Ben Clayton's 1.3 coupe now sporting a V8 engine. If anyone knows of any earlier ones I'd be interested to hear about them. Bet they're red.


Anyone know of any others? :thumbup:
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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by MarinaCoupe » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:33 pm

Nice one Josh.

Ben also had a 1.8 DL Coupe some years ago, Harvest Gold M reg on Weller wheels.







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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by terrytibbs » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:44 pm

Dave R has a very tidy deluxe saloon in flame red with about 30K miles on it..

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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by Martec » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:56 pm

There are all the reasons Josh for buying a TC!!!!

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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by JoshWard » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:53 pm

I'd love a TC, perhaps once I've got a daily Marina I'll start saving my pennies ready for when I'm 25 and able to insure one 8-)

I very much like the sound of Dave's one, may have to come down and take a peek at it sometime, might have to bring my wallet with me too :wink: :lol:

I think Ben's DL coupe was scrapped eventually wasn't it? His TC coupe is on the DVLA as a DL so that makes up for it :lol:
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1936 Ford Model Y- On loan from the CCLP
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1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (CAE419J)
1971 1.8 SDL Saloon (JHC999J)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (CHY79K)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (JGC240K)
1971 1.3 SDL Saloon (OVW292K)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (MCU274K)
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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by fruity » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:00 pm

You can bye my Jubilee at a price!! :D


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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by JoshWard » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:09 pm

£2.50 is a price :-D

I can stretch to £3 and this half eaten packet of digestives I have here (non chocolate, Tesco value)
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1936 Ford Model Y- On loan from the CCLP
1971 1.3 DL Coupe (VRU362J)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (CAE419J)
1971 1.8 SDL Saloon (JHC999J)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (CHY79K)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (JGC240K)
1971 1.3 SDL Saloon (OVW292K)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (MCU274K)
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Post by Uncle Frank » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:04 pm

Bens V8 was a very original DL Josh she even had the rubber mats in her, another DL feature was the lack of a heated rear screen!....`I`ll stick to TC`s mate, the old DLs are a bit plain for my taste, but it is refreshing to see one at shows, it may surprise a few to know that the original Works Rally cars were DLs too :thumbup:
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Post by JoshWard » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:12 pm

Plain? I prefer 'charming' :wink: :lol: When I first sat in a DL (Paul Utting's one, GNG 508K, which is his everyday car) it put me in mind of a 1950s or 60s car! Very basic motoring indeed.

Weren't heated rear screens an optional extra on SDLs?

I guess for rallying BL didn't really need all that fancy trim weighing them down :lol:

I think for another daily Marina I will be going back to the extra comforts of an SDL, mind you the lack of rust trap trim is a bit of an advantage, just to have to weigh it up against the rubber floor which makes the floorpans sweat! :crazy:
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1936 Ford Model Y- On loan from the CCLP
1971 1.3 DL Coupe (VRU362J)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (CAE419J)
1971 1.8 SDL Saloon (JHC999J)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (CHY79K)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (JGC240K)
1971 1.3 SDL Saloon (OVW292K)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (MCU274K)
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Post by Martec » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:49 pm

Weren't the early lower spec cars on dynamo's?

I'd had enough of them on my mini's, infact one of the initial mods to our Jaguar was negative earth and a Marina alternator (it destroyed 3 of them, too small)

Yes Josh a nice TC coupe...........in red.

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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by JubileeNut » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:06 pm

DL sounds like half a car with all that missing. You want to get a Jubilee as they had the most stuff :-D A Kev???????
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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by JoshWard » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:16 pm

It wasn't just the lower spec cars, I think Steve Moss has a TC which is running a dynamo.

Coming back to what Frank said about him finding DLs a bit plain, I think this could easily explain why there aren't that many left. After all who would go out with money in their pocket to buy a Marina and pick a DL over a TC or a higher spec model? I certainly wouldn't! I only got Ducky because she turned up unexpectedly, although saying that I don't think I could sell her, not even to buy a TC, not even to buy a TC coupe in red with gold wheels...
Mind you, I am still a teenager so perhaps a poverty/old man spec four door saloon isn't the best choice of car and maybe I should get a TC, preferably bright yellow with a black vinyl roof albeit in coupe form (which is how I imagined my first Marina would be, not a rusty blue saloon).

Saying that I do have a bit of a fetish for base models, there was a lovely 1.3 Cavalier on eBay last week, never mind the fact it would probably barely move with that amount of power :lol:

Believe me Paul I would give my right arm to have a Jubilee on my drive! Let's hope I can find one someday.
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1936 Ford Model Y- On loan from the CCLP
1971 1.3 DL Coupe (VRU362J)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (CAE419J)
1971 1.8 SDL Saloon (JHC999J)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (CHY79K)
1971 1.3 SDL Coupe (JGC240K)
1971 1.3 SDL Saloon (OVW292K)
1971 1.8 SDL Coupe (MCU274K)
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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by locost_bryan » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:33 pm

Uncle Frank wrote:it may surprise a few to know that the original Works Rally cars were DLs too :thumbup:
That would make sense, they'd be the lightest :thumbup: (and cheapest :rolls: ). Less speed-sapping stuff to take out and throw away. :lol:

Presumably the DL was aimed at fleet buyers, rather than private buyers, so more likely to be thrashed and less likely to be looked after :( . Hence, fewer survivors?
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Post by MarinaCoupe » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:48 pm

BL were just doing what everyone else was doing;

BL - DL, SDL, TC
Ford - L, XL, Ghia, E for Executive
Vauxhall - E for Economy, L, SL

Etc. etc.

Everyone had a base model.

Then there were the sub-poverty spec models. My first two company cars were an Escort mk2 1.1 Popular and then a Fiesta Mk2 1.1 Popular Plus. Both had rubber mats, plastic seats, no hub caps, single speed heater fans, no heated rear screen, no radio or tape player, no reversing lights.

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Re: Marinas and the differences between them

Post by fruity » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:52 pm

JoshWard wrote:£2.50 is a price :-D

I can stretch to £3 and this half eaten packet of digestives I have here (non chocolate, Tesco value)
If you had a packet of chocy Honnobs! I might've bean interested! :D


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